Here is the translated statement that Tomoharu sent us:
Regarding my Disqualification at Grand Prix Florence
Here is the link from the official coverage.
As some of you know already, I was recently disqualified from Grand Prix Florence.
First of all, let me apologize to those who have always supported me. This disqualification is the realization of the worst possible consequences and is inexcusable.
The stated reason for the ruling was that “After confirming that there was not very much time left in the round, it appeared that this player intentionally stalled.” I do not deny the comments and observations of other players claiming they observed the same thing; all I can say is that at the time I truly did not believe that I was stalling.
Disqualified players write a report to the DCI concerning what happened and what they were thinking during the circumstances leading to the disqualification. I wrote a report and submitted it to the DCI in Florence and now await the results of their investigation.
-Tomoharu Saito
After considering the above statement and the events in question, we feel that we must unfortunately part ways with Tomoharu, and we will no longer be running his content on the website. This isn’t a decision we make lightly, but it is in everyone’s best interests. I will please ask that the discussion stay civil, though I understand that this is a very touchy subject; trust me, no one here at Channelfireball is happy about this situation.
LSV
Link
More on Saito: From an Undisclosed, but Personally Vouched for Eyewitness
Anonymous:
“I personally watched this and it was outrageous. He should have been DQ’d immediately.
Play was proceeding normally as Saito was winning. There are 6-7 minutes left.
Kid then cunning wishes for Tsabo Decree and decrees Merfolk.
Saito tanks for 45 seconds then reveals his hand of 2 merfolk. He bins his 2 in hand and 2 in play.
Kid untaps and casts Jace. Saito then counts kid’s sideboard, reviews graveyard and says ok. Kid fateseals and leaves a daze on top. He activates factory and attacks. Saito spends 45 seconds debating wasteland before taking 2. He rereads Jace again.
He untaps and draws daze. He reviews both graveyards and spends 30-40 seconds before saying go.
Kid fateseals and leaves a land. He activates factory and attacks. Saito repeats his 45 seconds fingering wasteland before taking 2. He then stops to read Jace.
Saito draws the land and reviews both graveyards. He spends 30 seconds before playing land. He then stops to read Jace for 20 seconds. He then fidgets with wasteland and then fetchland for 20 seconds before saying go.
Kid fateseals a land to top. He then activates factory. Saito reviews kids graveyard and finally takes 2. Kid casts pernicious deed with 4 mana up. Saito considers dazing it until time is called.
Rest of game takes under 1 minute.”
Slightly reformatted to make it clear this is a second hand account.
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There is some more information posted on his blog: http://harurumtg.blog41.fc2.com/blog-entry-155.html
"About the Florence GP DQ
I still feel strange about this. About ten years ago, with my second disqualification I was suspended. When that was over I started playing again and I was strongly aware I needed to straighten up my play. Yet, I am facing the same thing again.
In round 6, I was warned for slow play as there was little time left in the round. Later in the game, I was called to the judge station and I was told 'After we confirmed with you that there was only 3 minutes left, your play slowed'. It is true that my play was slow after I was warned about the time, but that has nothing to do with how much time was on the clock.
For several turns, the battlefield was calm and there were not many attacks. My opponent left one creature behind and attacked with the rest (He had 10 creatures on the board, I had 5 creatures, a tumble magnet and a contagion clasp) and I was thinking really hard about how to deal with the attack. I was told that I had played faster before the remaining time hit zero, but it was just that prior to the attack decisions were easy to make.
My intent was definitely never to play slower for the last 3 minutes. But according to the judge, 'I was watching and it appeared intentional, in this case even if there was a reason and regardless of who it is its a DQ. The fact remains his play slowed as the clock was running out.' I was told that and accepted it.
My luck was terrible that in that game the most difficult moment of the game happened during the last 3 minutes of the game and my thinking through that situation caused my DQ. If I could do it again, I think all I could do is be aware that there is a risk of seeming suspicious when the time is slow and to try to keep that in mind that I need to play it faster. However, I can't ignore the reality that it was the most difficult, most important play of the day.
As I stated in the beginning, it feels really strange. I guess this kind of thing happens suddenly like that.
Stated again, it was the worst timing for the most difficult situation to happen and in truth I was seriously thinking when I was accused. I swear to Magic: The Gathering and all of the people involved in the game that that is the truth. I am not pleased by the ruling but the ruling of the Head Judge is absolute and as a pro player I fully appreciate the importance of maintaining a large tournament."
All of the accusations of cheating aside, we don't know what game this was. If it was game 2 and he had won the first game, he could potentially stand to benefit from stalling. But we don't know what game it was and if he was up or down a game. It seems that it was a very complicated game-state and that anyone would need time to think through the decision, would they they not?
It is a shame that he was DQ in that situation. I know many of you think he cheated in the past and are perhaps biased to think that he would be stalling in this situation, but I don't think anyone could disagree with the complexity of the described board state.
Link
There is some more information posted on his blog: http://harurumtg.blog41.fc2.com/blog-entry-155.html
"About the Florence GP DQ
I still feel strange about this. About ten years ago, with my second disqualification I was suspended. When that was over I started playing again and I was strongly aware I needed to straighten up my play. Yet, I am facing the same thing again.
In round 6, I was warned for slow play as there was little time left in the round. Later in the game, I was called to the judge station and I was told 'After we confirmed with you that there was only 3 minutes left, your play slowed'. It is true that my play was slow after I was warned about the time, but that has nothing to do with how much time was on the clock.
For several turns, the battlefield was calm and there were not many attacks. My opponent left one creature behind and attacked with the rest (He had 10 creatures on the board, I had 5 creatures, a tumble magnet and a contagion clasp) and I was thinking really hard about how to deal with the attack. I was told that I had played faster before the remaining time hit zero, but it was just that prior to the attack decisions were easy to make.
My intent was definitely never to play slower for the last 3 minutes. But according to the judge, 'I was watching and it appeared intentional, in this case even if there was a reason and regardless of who it is its a DQ. The fact remains his play slowed as the clock was running out.' I was told that and accepted it.
My luck was terrible that in that game the most difficult moment of the game happened during the last 3 minutes of the game and my thinking through that situation caused my DQ. If I could do it again, I think all I could do is be aware that there is a risk of seeming suspicious when the time is slow and to try to keep that in mind that I need to play it faster. However, I can't ignore the reality that it was the most difficult, most important play of the day.
As I stated in the beginning, it feels really strange. I guess this kind of thing happens suddenly like that.
Stated again, it was the worst timing for the most difficult situation to happen and in truth I was seriously thinking when I was accused. I swear to Magic: The Gathering and all of the people involved in the game that that is the truth. I am not pleased by the ruling but the ruling of the Head Judge is absolute and as a pro player I fully appreciate the importance of maintaining a large tournament."
All of the accusations of cheating aside, we don't know what game this was. If it was game 2 and he had won the first game, he could potentially stand to benefit from stalling. But we don't know what game it was and if he was up or down a game. It seems that it was a very complicated game-state and that anyone would need time to think through the decision, would they they not?
It is a shame that he was DQ in that situation. I know many of you think he cheated in the past and are perhaps biased to think that he would be stalling in this situation, but I don't think anyone could disagree with the complexity of the described board state.
MTG Salvation comment:
AntwortenLöschenDifference between "Slow Play" and "Stalling"
A lot of people seem to be confused about the difference between "slow play" and "stalling". The two are entirely different entities. "Slow play" means only that, that you are playing slowly and need to pick up the pace. It is neither intentional, nor harshly punished. The penalty is a warning and a poke from the judge to play faster.
"Stalling" on the other hand, is completely different. From the Magic Infraction Procedure Guide - "A player intentionally plays slowly in order to take advantage of the time limit." Stalling is intentional by definition, something along the lines of "If I sit here and pretend to think for the next two minutes, the match will be a draw as opposed to me losing..." This is complete and blatant cheating.
Einerseits heftig...der Typ ist momentan Weltranglisten dritter. Andererseits klingt das ziemlich nach Heuchelei von LSV/Kanal Feuerball, weil die Seite Artikel/Schreiber veröffentlicht die einem raten mit Jedi Mind Tricks und anderem pseudoverunsicherungstaktiken den Gegner zu kontrollieren und somit das Spiel zu dominieren.
AntwortenLöschenAls ich z.B. folgenden Artikel las
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/twoo-cents-how-to-win-when-you-draw-terribly/
musste ich schrecklich lachen. Eher bitter fühlte es sich dagegen an, als ich bei den Kommentaren überwiegend Zuspruch und Respektsbekundungen vermerkte, anstatt wie erwartet das Hinweisen auf eine verdammt unsportliche Einstellung oder gar ignorantes auslachen aufgrund doch sehr pubertärer oder gar dummer Aussagen.
Es geht um viel Geld, bei einen Prospieler wie Saito sogar um den Lebensunterhalt, da kann mir keiner erzählen, dass gerade bei einen Spiel wie Magic, wo Glück eine große Rolle spielt, so was nicht ständig gemacht wird (aber nicht sollte!). Ich habe vor ca. 2 Monaten angefangen einigermaßen regelmäßig Freitags in einem Laden zu Draften, da geht es mal vielleicht um Karten die 20 Euro Wert sind und ich glaube sogar das ist egal. Trotzdem vergeht keines dieser Abende, ohne dass ich mindestens ein Spiel erlebe wo ich das Gefühl habe mein Gegner würde auf Zeit spielen. Schon hier im kleinen, lokalen Kreis, scheint das Credo zu lauten: Hauptsache nicht verlieren. Mit wachsender Erfahrung kann man diese Situationen zwar besser einschätzen und entsprechend darauf reagieren und hinweisen, aber es fällt immer noch gerade gegen die alten Stammspieler sehr schwer. Ähnliches hat das auch der betroffene Gegner von Saito beschrieben, der ja nicht mal selbst den Judge gerufen hat.
Verdammt lustig wiederum, finde ich Saitos Äußerung. Sie weist zwar Respekt gegenüber dem Spiel, den Regeln und der Entscheidung der Schiris (was er letztendlich auch muss!), doch letztendlich ist er sich keiner Schuld bewußt. Natürlich ist das ein komplexes Spiel. Selbstverständlich ist es wichtig die eigenen Züge und die des Gegners abzuwägen. Aber er hat nach der verbliebenen Zeit gefragt UND wurde ganze zwei mal gewarnt!!!
Dazu kommt noch das er eine Woche vorher folgenden Artikel geschrieben hat:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/important-things-for-tournament-success-part-7-other-lessons-learned/
gerade der Teil „Playing and Enforcing an Honest Game “ entbehrt den ganzen doch eine bittere Ironie.
Dementsprechend begrüße ich diese Entscheidung, aber glaube nicht, dass es an der Einstellung einiger Leute beim zocken was ändern wird. Jeder der mal diese frustrierende Erfahrung machen möchte sollte MTGOnline probieren. Alleine beim Trial, also völlig Anonymisiert und ohne irgendwelche Konsequenzen bei Verlust oder Gewinn der Probespiele, spielen geschätzte 30% auf Zeit wenn es gerade nicht gut läuft für sie...
PS: Überraschend lang geworden...sieht aus als hätte ich mir den Frust von der Seele schreiben müssen ;)
Entschuldigt den Doppelpost, aber wer Zeit und Lust hat ein langes und leidenschaftliches Plädoyer eines Verteidigers und Freundes Saitos zu lesen, bitte:
AntwortenLöschenhttp://hudbot.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/thiswasfivethousandwordsinfivehours/#more-59
Entschuldigt den Trippelpost *hust*, aber habe gerade einen nicht ganz so lächerlichen, sondern guten Beitrag zum Thema gefunden:
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.planetmtg.de/articles/artikel.html?id=5707&typ=2&action=comments